Post by Knightmare on May 19, 2009 21:45:01 GMT -5
For a while in the Sim Slew City Slew was a little more expensive than he is now in the sim. Now a days he gets down to about 40 points at the end of the week which fits well if you are looking for a bargain.
I always wonder with a sire like this about the affects of the "sim breeding culture".
www.equineline.com/extendedcontent/bh.cfm?StallionRef=970290&rtype=stats&ASCID=1443262
(link above is to Statistical Sire summary)
Here is a very competent sire. He has sired a champion, 13 graded stakes winners and 47 stakes winners over all from 17 crops of racing age. Now that is almost one graded winner a crop and about 2.5 stakes winners a crop. We are talking about a sire that is only producing about 50 horses a crop. Slew City Slew's stakes % is a solid 6%. A quick look at other sires that are far more expensive for instance Pulpit 7%, Grand Slam 5%, or Elusive Quality 5%. There is no reason he should not produce stakes winners in the sim.
It is a joke in my opinion when you look at Grand Slam in the sim.
05 - 13 stakes winners 13%
06 - 14 stakes winners 13.1%
07 - 15 stakes winners 14.2%
Elusive Quality was equally a joke until the 07 crop
05 - 14 stakes winners 14%
06 - 18 stakes winners 18.4%
07 - 6 stakes winners 5.6%
Pulpit is a bit of Joke as well..
05 - 27 stakes winners 21.4%
06 - 16 stakes winners 13.2%
07 - 16 stakes winner 13.4%
Hard to convince sim breeders to diversify or try a sire like Slew City Slew with these numbers. Slew City Slew has no stakes winners in the last 5 crops. He does have one retired graded stakes winner and one retired stakes winner. Hardly matching real life production.
So is it the "Sim breeding environment" or should Mike consider bumping Slew City Slew. Hard to believe he did not get anything when Lava Man was winning multiple grade 1 races for a couple of years.
What I mean by "sim breeding environment" is because of the number of players, compared to the sires available some sires will not be used much, thus if Slew City Slew had been bred to in the sim 50-60 times a year instead of 20 he would have produced some stakes runners. Add to the fact that crappy producing real life sires like Grand Slam, Gone West was another, get overused in the sim and thus over produce which creates a scenario where people just go back to the sire because he is producing despite no real life success to back up his continued sim success.
Then when you add to the scenario with the recent sire statistics by Shag? which only reinforced the fact that only the top sires produce anything, I think you have a screwed up where the same 20 or so sires get used over and over, producing a large chunk of the stakes winners in the game.
Maybe with more graded stakes things will change a bit. I have said enough, it could be a good BTB article. Jump In what do you think of Slew City Slew
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I always wonder with a sire like this about the affects of the "sim breeding culture".
www.equineline.com/extendedcontent/bh.cfm?StallionRef=970290&rtype=stats&ASCID=1443262
(link above is to Statistical Sire summary)
Here is a very competent sire. He has sired a champion, 13 graded stakes winners and 47 stakes winners over all from 17 crops of racing age. Now that is almost one graded winner a crop and about 2.5 stakes winners a crop. We are talking about a sire that is only producing about 50 horses a crop. Slew City Slew's stakes % is a solid 6%. A quick look at other sires that are far more expensive for instance Pulpit 7%, Grand Slam 5%, or Elusive Quality 5%. There is no reason he should not produce stakes winners in the sim.
It is a joke in my opinion when you look at Grand Slam in the sim.
05 - 13 stakes winners 13%
06 - 14 stakes winners 13.1%
07 - 15 stakes winners 14.2%
Elusive Quality was equally a joke until the 07 crop
05 - 14 stakes winners 14%
06 - 18 stakes winners 18.4%
07 - 6 stakes winners 5.6%
Pulpit is a bit of Joke as well..
05 - 27 stakes winners 21.4%
06 - 16 stakes winners 13.2%
07 - 16 stakes winner 13.4%
Hard to convince sim breeders to diversify or try a sire like Slew City Slew with these numbers. Slew City Slew has no stakes winners in the last 5 crops. He does have one retired graded stakes winner and one retired stakes winner. Hardly matching real life production.
So is it the "Sim breeding environment" or should Mike consider bumping Slew City Slew. Hard to believe he did not get anything when Lava Man was winning multiple grade 1 races for a couple of years.
What I mean by "sim breeding environment" is because of the number of players, compared to the sires available some sires will not be used much, thus if Slew City Slew had been bred to in the sim 50-60 times a year instead of 20 he would have produced some stakes runners. Add to the fact that crappy producing real life sires like Grand Slam, Gone West was another, get overused in the sim and thus over produce which creates a scenario where people just go back to the sire because he is producing despite no real life success to back up his continued sim success.
Then when you add to the scenario with the recent sire statistics by Shag? which only reinforced the fact that only the top sires produce anything, I think you have a screwed up where the same 20 or so sires get used over and over, producing a large chunk of the stakes winners in the game.
Maybe with more graded stakes things will change a bit. I have said enough, it could be a good BTB article. Jump In what do you think of Slew City Slew
******Runners Bred******
Ignored
Tin Buck Slew
Brown Cloud
Slew City Vice
