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Post by Knightmare on Apr 26, 2009 22:18:42 GMT -5
Since we have a pretty decent size group of trainers thought I would try out a message board. Feel free to discuss anything you like. Figured I would start things off with favorite bargain sires.
I have to say it is hard to pick one sire. I hardly ever get more than one good runner out of a bargain sire. I use Northern Dancer line sires quite a bit and with success. Manzotti, Justa Cat, Star Programmer have all produced stakes winners for me.
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Post by alishan on Apr 27, 2009 5:37:49 GMT -5
Well I must admit that I have a pretty obscure breeding line that has produced a few decent runners for me so far. This one showed some improvement on Sat: derbyfever.com/hr/runtime/prettyhorse.asp?hossnum=174053Falvelon was one of my favorite racehorses, loosen up sired my favorite aussie horse of all time, japan cup winner, better loosen up and jugah sired heaps of winners here in australia and continues to produce through his offspring.
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Post by okdavid on Apr 27, 2009 11:21:54 GMT -5
Hey guys! If we're talking just sires, I have a tendency to look for well-bred, underused, cheap sires and put them with the best DS/DDS combo I can afford. Therefore, I very rarely wind up with any true bargain breds. Or, if I have a mare that has been successful but is not very well bred, I'll use a cheap well bred sire or a freshman sire. I have been in the sim now about 5 1/2 years. I've had 4 graded winners and 3 of those have come from these 2 strategies. Jammin' In SeattleMonarch's PrizeFinger PaintingI like to breed LONG distance runners. I just like the longer races plus the competition is not nearly as fierce as, say, dirt sprints. I do quite a few bargain breds in this category. I look for any combinations of Wild Risk, Ela-Mana-Mou, and Princequillo that I can come up with. I've gotten several servicable runners - a few allowance wins and more than a few claiming wins. By far though the most successful of my runners using this combo is: Effernatski
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Post by Knightmare on Apr 28, 2009 21:43:06 GMT -5
I know David and I experimented with DS and DDS combos. I cannot remember yours David and I think you had way more success than I did but being from Texas I am partial to Texas sires. Sunny's Halo was a nice Texas sire so I used him as the DS and paired him with Plugged Nickel. Sire X Sunny's Halo X Plugged Nickel. I chose that combo because it was free and clear of Northern Dancer or Mr. P opening up a ton of sire possibilities and because there is a good amount of stamina present to hopefully produce a route horse. I wanted a bargain type combo to get a bargain bred or two this DS X DDS combo was about 60-70 points most of the time. Nickle Plated was and is useful to fairly solid at distances over 10f. It took a while for her to develop but she has been a little BP earner. Sunny Pioneer also useful to solid and he likes turf. He looks to be best at a mile. I lost him in a claim earlier in his career but he has been solid for other trainers. Bertran Halo was a salty sprinter I also lost in a claim. She runs fairly often in the 90's, I got two allowance wins from her before I lost her. Tin Halo was a runner I lost early on to a claim who could have been useful. He was sent to the CPU and has not run since September of 2007. Then as a three year old his speed figs where ok in the 70's. I would not mind seeing him run again and see if he improved with age at all. Then there where two others that are retired that where awful. Halo Wonder (Grass Wonder) and Up or Down (Captain Countdown) who won his second race as a two year old with a 74 speed figure never again breaking the 70 speed figure mark. So one allowance winner, two useful types, one undecided and two complete flops. Probably not horrible results considering all but the allowance winner where bargain breds. I may try something like this again with Sunny's Halo I had a couple of nice runners with him using dam sires with Princequillo in the pedigree.
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Post by Knightmare on Apr 28, 2009 21:56:59 GMT -5
That is cool to see runners from Bargain type mares producing graded runners like Monarch's Prize and Finger Painting.
Alishan your runner brings to light the fact that many sires that stand outside the US are overlooked in the sim quite a bit. Sire cost in part as I understand things anyway is based on the number of offspring a sire produces, as well as sire rating. So there are some sires who may not be top rated but are rated high enough that are available at bargain type prices and can produce some nice runners which is really what the series is all about.
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Post by hawkz on Apr 29, 2009 3:22:47 GMT -5
nice work morgan ill add some thoughts soon
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Post by okdavid on Apr 29, 2009 8:21:09 GMT -5
LOL Morgan. I had forgotten all about that little experiment. I had to go back and find out the DS/DDS combo I used. It was Czaravich x Loft. It produced a lot of nothing, certainly nothing worth linking to here. I'm positive you had much better results than I did.
I knew you'd appreciate Monarch's Prize and Finger Painting given your penchant for breeding accomplished, "moderately-bred" mares. I'm looking forward to breeding back to both mares again this year. There's no rush on Mel's Prize - I think the other 2 previous owners are no longer active - but I need to get started thinking about Singforyoursupper.
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Post by okdavid on Apr 29, 2009 12:19:17 GMT -5
Another experiment I tried was a stable full of runners bred by sires who were totally unused to that point. It was pretty much a failure to. I kept most of the runners for a few races trying to get a win - with no luck. I do still have one horse. And he is still the only sim horse by his sire. Lost BuckarooAs usual, I'm too attached to him. I really need to drop him into claimers, I just haven't been able to bring myself to do it yet though.
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Post by Knightmare on Apr 29, 2009 13:19:51 GMT -5
David I thought you or maybe it someone else over at Alpine that was using Brian's Time as part of the pedigree with some success.
Now unused sires are interesting I am not sure I have been the first to breed a sire I will have to double check.
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Post by okdavid on Apr 29, 2009 16:10:44 GMT -5
Someone over there had had success using the DS/DDS combo of Rhodes x Brian's Time. A few of us got involved and bred a few of our own. I only have one of those left, too. GenerhodesHe hasn't won for over a year but before that he did fairly well for me.
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Post by axeracing on May 1, 2009 20:05:51 GMT -5
LORD PARHAM was my favorite bargain sire before he died. He was also the first horse I walked as a green hotwalker in real life. I was surprised to see he was in the game, so I had to try and get a good one from him! derbyfever.com/hr/runtime/prettyhorse.asp?hossnum=129398 is the best, and probably the cheapest one, and a BBRS award winner to boot! I'm happy with that! There's another one that looks alright- derbyfever.com/hr/runtime/prettyhorse.asp?hossnum=131263I like trying all kinds of crazy stuff, though. Inbreeding, female lines, popular nicks, and any kind of other wacky theory I can come up with.
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Post by Knightmare on May 3, 2009 23:48:33 GMT -5
I always equate Lord Gaylord with stamina. I do not know if Lord Parham was a sprinter or not but I guess the Raja Baba in him brings out the sprinter quality in his offspring. Glad he was able to produce a couple of nice ones.
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Post by axeracing on May 6, 2009 7:55:06 GMT -5
I think the game hates Lord Gaylord. Anything the game hates seems to produce mostly dirt sprinters. He does have one son that i've noticed that produced some routers in the game- Lord Carlos. It's funny. You can take the most stamina laden turf pedigree around, and because the stallions are all bargain breds, it turns out a dirt sprinter. Go figure...
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Post by okdavid on May 11, 2009 1:28:48 GMT -5
LOL at axeracing. But I most definitely agree with you. Here is one though with all bargain breeding with lots of turf stamina influence. He likes the dirt better but he is definitely a stamina horse. EffernatskiAlso, here is another using a bargain sire with a decent - but not bargain - DS/DDS combo. Androgynous
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Post by okdavid on May 13, 2009 18:08:20 GMT -5
Finger Painting drew into the Middle Jewel Stakes!!! He goes off at 9/1.
He'll be my first runner in any of the 3yo classics. At least for males. I've had a couple get into some of the triple tiara races. But no winners. And I don't really expect him to win either, I guess. But it sure is exciting to get one in.
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